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By Jray517
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#4383
Donkeypunch wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:36 pm
Have you seen this video of a guy actually doing the board swap?
Idk I hate when people are bringing this to light so publicly. Scootertalk ks one thing but once corporate realizes and regular people just start stealing these they will put a kill device on to destroy the innards when tampered with
By Hherbson
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#4390
I believe they are very aware. They are in a war for market dominance, and now valued at over 1 Billion. They can't even be bothered to pick up new impounded scooters. They simply replace them, and factor loss into the business model. Like a General willing to sacrifice some Privates to win a battle. When was the last time you read a news story about Bird pursuing outlaws. They don't want that kind of press, or any sort of controversy. Their investors don't want any drama, and will simply wait for the fleet to be replaced with Bird Zero's. Meanwhile, the supply of M365's is quickly drying up. I like the Ninebots fine, but think the 365 has a MUCH better ride, and with custom firmware offers the same performance
#4397
Well, its nice to see that someone else has been analyizing Birds odd lack of any type of meaningful security or asset recovery. Ive been interested in every case that I hear about and asked more questions and its clear that Bird opted to just totally skip the entire costs of security, investigation, recovery, and rebuilding recovered scooters. Additionally they seem to have skipped the expense of forming any legal response to known offenders who have taken scooters like chargers. Time and again their M.O. has been to do absolutely nothing or to make contact with known "liberaters" of their scooters, usually thru the ap, rarely in person, and initially make bold statements and accusations and threats. When the individual seems concerned they carry it a little farther. When the person calls them on it and tells them to take a hike they do just that. They never carry thru with any action, legal or otherwise. They just shut up and go away as told. End of story. Think about the expense a ready team would cost and if they were successful in recovering a parted out M365 that needs a total rebuild? They are already phasing the model out, they have nothing to gain by recovering any of them. They would just pick up the expense of properly disposing of the batteries and other junk. Word is their scooters pay for themselves in 5 days! When they have 20 missing from a market, or neighborhood they simply allocate 200 more. Theyre not running out. They recently started a program for chargers to team up and try and track down long missing scooters. Why? Not because they want them. They want to show the cities they make efforts to collect their garbage. Using chargers is free labor. More evidence that A. They have no team in place and B. They have decided to take the losses and offset them by omitting the costs associated with security, recovery, and legal actions. Their response is to tell chargers we'll double the bounty on missing ones. Double zero is zero. They have no interest in stopping losses, they never recover impounded scooters, i know of several people who have written to them, stating they have recovered Birds scooter(s) on their property, if Bird has any interest in continued ownership to reply in 10 days with pick up and storage fees..etc. They never do. Anyone writting such a letter should do so by registered mail and state that failing to respond within 10 days will be considered Birds release of interest in said property.
Its a free for all electronic scooter give away.
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By James007
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Have you heard of the Scooter Scooper? a new service in San Diego, they scoop up abandoned scooters and bill Bird for them. So far, haven't heard of Bird paying their price to return the scooters.

""The city of San Diego is overrun with scooters. Many of the scooter companies operate under a business model that has little regard for public safety, ADA laws, or private property. The real reason is that most of the scooter companies do not truly care who they impose on while they make their money. As long as armies of electric scooters are allowed to charge people’s credit cards, most of the scooter companies could care less where they roam, or how they are operated. It is a “leave-it-anywhere,” “impose-on-everyone” philosophy of operating a business that unfortunately disrespects public safety and the private property rights of others.
Two guys started fighting back. They obtained authorizations from property owners to remove unwanted scooters from private property. They cleaned up scooter company mess by removing thousands of scooters that were trespassing and dumped on private property. Afterwards, they notified the appropriate billion-dollar companies to come pick up their scooters, and pay a minimal fee for saving and safely storing their products. They asked the companies to modify their apps to recognize the rights of property ownership, take back their product and stop allowing unwanted scooters on designated private property where “no trespassing” signs had been posted.
Instead of respecting the community, private property rights and public safety, several of the companies have refused to pay and instead threatened legal action against these two hard working guys.
They want to continue the fight and provide the free service to San Diego and beyond. They are looking for private citizens to step up and donate to their fund so they can expand their territory, finish the app to report scooters and respond appropriately in court if necessary.""
By clayton
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#4529
James007 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:50 pm
Have you heard of the Scooter Scooper? a new service in San Diego, they scoop up abandoned scooters and bill Bird for them. So far, haven't heard of Bird paying their price to return the scooters.

""The city of San Diego is overrun with scooters. Many of the scooter companies operate under a business model that has little regard for public safety, ADA laws, or private property. The real reason is that most of the scooter companies do not truly care who they impose on while they make their money. As long as armies of electric scooters are allowed to charge people’s credit cards, most of the scooter companies could care less where they roam, or how they are operated. It is a “leave-it-anywhere,” “impose-on-everyone” philosophy of operating a business that unfortunately disrespects public safety and the private property rights of others.
Two guys started fighting back. They obtained authorizations from property owners to remove unwanted scooters from private property. They cleaned up scooter company mess by removing thousands of scooters that were trespassing and dumped on private property. Afterwards, they notified the appropriate billion-dollar companies to come pick up their scooters, and pay a minimal fee for saving and safely storing their products. They asked the companies to modify their apps to recognize the rights of property ownership, take back their product and stop allowing unwanted scooters on designated private property where “no trespassing” signs had been posted.
Instead of respecting the community, private property rights and public safety, several of the companies have refused to pay and instead threatened legal action against these two hard working guys.
They want to continue the fight and provide the free service to San Diego and beyond. They are looking for private citizens to step up and donate to their fund so they can expand their territory, finish the app to report scooters and respond appropriately in court if necessary.""
I have a acquaintance in San Diego whose gang already does that for free, and they don't ask money for it. Kids bring them to the guys for 10 a scooter. They ship them across the border and sell them for 150. Only thing holding them up is more bird deliveries.
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By blanxable
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James007 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:50 pm
Have you heard of the Scooter Scooper? a new service in San Diego, they scoop up abandoned scooters and bill Bird for them. So far, haven't heard of Bird paying their price to return the scooters.

""The city of San Diego is overrun with scooters. Many of the scooter companies operate under a business model that has little regard for public safety, ADA laws, or private property. The real reason is that most of the scooter companies do not truly care who they impose on while they make their money. As long as armies of electric scooters are allowed to charge people’s credit cards, most of the scooter companies could care less where they roam, or how they are operated. It is a “leave-it-anywhere,” “impose-on-everyone” philosophy of operating a business that unfortunately disrespects public safety and the private property rights of others.
Two guys started fighting back. They obtained authorizations from property owners to remove unwanted scooters from private property. They cleaned up scooter company mess by removing thousands of scooters that were trespassing and dumped on private property. Afterwards, they notified the appropriate billion-dollar companies to come pick up their scooters, and pay a minimal fee for saving and safely storing their products. They asked the companies to modify their apps to recognize the rights of property ownership, take back their product and stop allowing unwanted scooters on designated private property where “no trespassing” signs had been posted.
Instead of respecting the community, private property rights and public safety, several of the companies have refused to pay and instead threatened legal action against these two hard working guys.
They want to continue the fight and provide the free service to San Diego and beyond. They are looking for private citizens to step up and donate to their fund so they can expand their territory, finish the app to report scooters and respond appropriately in court if necessary.""
There is a thread going about the scootscoop company. Crazy someone made a legit business about this.

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